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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 6-Jul-2009 At 10:47:20 AM R James

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TonyB - the link you gave for Svensmark's work on showing a correlation between cloud cover and solar effected cosmic radiation was an excellent presentation. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1qGOUIRac0 . Of course, we know that cloud cover has a big influence on temperature (try standing outside in the sun on a cold day, and feel the difference when a cloud passes over). However, I don't believe everything I see on U tube, so I looked further.

It seems that attempts have been made to discredit the report. Lots of people broke out their computers and played with computer models to show that it couldn't be so. Others preferred reality. The Danish National Space Centre set up a cloud chamber to test the theory, and showed that "more ionization implies more particle nucleation". http://theresilientearth.com/files/pdfs/the_resilient_earth-chapter_11.pdf page 130.

This was so successful that the European Organisation of Nuclear Research in Geneva, backed by 18 research institutes and 9 countries, is setting up a more comprehensive experiment using a cloud chamber. Unfortunately, it won't be operational until 2011.

This is what we want - real science, not computer models. A summary of this can be seen in http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/attempt-discredit-cosmic-ray-climate-link-using-computer-model.

Any climate model that doesn't take this effect into account (IPCC models) cannot be taken seriously. Even those that do, can't be taken too seriously at this stage, as the even the IPCC in its 2007 report admits a low scientific understanding of clouds.