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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 22-Jun-2009 At 4:07:26 PM TonyB

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On 19/06/2009 jono_1 wrote:
>BUT Tony, based on your comment above, if you can not even be open to the
>possibility (even 1 in 100) that growth in CO2 emissions from humans is
>partly contributing, even insignificantly, to global temperature increases
>please give us 100% proof that human CO2 is not contributing to climate
>change.

Firstly I should say, that unlike many, I don't work for Penny Wong's Department of Hot Air, or the thousands of other paid alarmists, and I'm sorry but I don't have time to respond to every comment here.

Man does influence global temperatures, by the urban heat island effect (dozens of papers and articles such as this http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=202 ) ... although UHI is dismissed by the IPCC via this paper : http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT3_accepted.pdf

As I have said several times before, theoretically CO2 increases DO increase temperatures by a tiny amount due to the greenhouse effect. However CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, and the greenhouse effect itself plays a minor role in global temperature changes.

It is an even bigger stretch to prove that man's CO2 output has caused any warming, or that man's CO2 output is responsible for the observed global CO2 concentration increases. No one has yet succeeded in linking man's CO2 output to global temperature increases, despite many billions of dollars being wasted looking for that elusive evidence.

If man's fossil fuel burning caused "alarming" and "recent" warming, we would expect to see it in the graph below. We simply don't !

Anyone who claims that man's fossil fuel burning is causing "alarming" and "recent" global warming, please state exactly when the "alarming" "recent" warming became apparent. Was it:

a) 7 years ago
b) 11 years ago
c) 30 years ago
d) 60 years ago
e) from when Adam was a boy
?

>Then we can dump the IPCC, ETS, etc and get on with our lives.
First we'll have to convince the masses, to convince the pollies that man caused global warming is a scam, to deprive them of yet another excuse to tax us.

>Show us the proof that current temperature increases can be solely explained by natural forcings?
Compare the temperature changes over the past century with those over the previous 10,000 years of the current interglacial ... there is nothing abnormal in any way ... there are warmer periods, cooler periods, faster rates of warming. Bob Carter's excellent videos make this very apparent.