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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 12-Jun-2009 At 10:22:40 AM TonyB

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On 12/06/2009 evanbb wrote:
>Your pic didn't show up Tony.

Evan, the pics are from an ftp site which has a slow download ... be patient, it takes a couple of minutes. Here's the site where you can access other months:
ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/

>What if you are wrong?

This is also a common argument that is put forth. What you are talking about is insurance of a sort. The problem with that is that there is no guarantee that spending trillions of dollars will have the slightest impact on climate. We could spend that money instead on insuring against all sorts of possible disasters: sea levels which have been rising for the past 6000 years, or meterorites which will certainly hit the earth and kill millions at some point in time.

The actual risk must also be considered. You could climb with triple ropes, double helmets, knee and elbow pads ... but is that magnitude of risk realistic ?

There needs to be hard evidence that man's CO2 is harming the environment. There is none. However, there are vast amounts of evidence that man is damaging the environment in a myriad of other ways.

What is most important is to look at the science of climate; not the politics. There are many factors that effect climate but the most important one is not even considered by the IPCC.

Have you noticed how the temperature drops when a cloud passes in front of the sun ? Clouds have a huge impact on temperature. The formation and effects of clouds is very complex and very poorly understood, however in the last few years it has been discovered that cloud formation is strongly influenced by cosmic rays from the sun. The magnitude of the solar wind relates to the number of sunspots.

I was fortunate enough in my physics honors class in high school to play with a Wilson Cloud Chamber. The effect of ionising radiation on cloud formation is dramatic.

The reason this is relevant is that solar cycles correlate very well with global temperatures (and far better than CO2). Most importantly the sun has entered a period that has not been seen since the Little Ice Age. It appears that this form of solar activity, may be a major reason for the global cooling that is currently taking place.

If I'm going to be forced to pay an extra $2050 tax each year, I'd like to see it helping the environment rather than being frittered away on political nonsense.