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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 5-Jun-2009 At 4:37:35 PM richardo

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Sorry to interrupt TB and EB but as a man of science I consider it my duty to point out to the gentle reader that both of you are talking crap.

Neither the charts nor papers either of you provide "prove" anything. No causal link will ever be "proven" either way, and in the extremely unlikely case it ever does it certainly won't be through wiggly lines. Proof of causality through two charts showing a trend does not exist. For example, I was born in 1980 and ever since then my height has increased --am I the cause of global warming?

That is a silly example, another less silly is the stupid doctor in the UK that "proved" a link between the MMR (measles,mumps,rubella) combined inoculation jab and autism. The fact that the timing of the jab and the age of the typical onset of autism coincided meant that a few wiggly lines later he'd "proved" a link (there was more smoke and mirrors behind his thesis - but all equally bad science). Such an emotive subject (ie a parent doing the best for their child) means that the association still resonates 10 years later. Despite the fact that hundreds of peer reviewed papers have since refuted it.

Unfortunately EB has mentioned the word "proved" a few times and TB is exploiting this (by proof through wiggly lines).

Sorry EB but I don't think you have "proved" anything. On the other hand the only thing TB can produce (other than proof through wiggly lines) is a conspiracy theory of scientists and governments. Are you angry Tony? Do you want some love? I'm here for you. You ARE 100 percent right EB has proved nothing.

On the other hand, sorry TB (I still luv ya though), EB has produced inordinate amounts of refs to propely peer reviewed papers. None of which prove anything, HOWEVER, the overwhelming view is of a link between emissions and global warming.

Tony, the only premise of yours that I'm prepared to work with is the conspiracy theory (or some compelling new real research -so no more wiggly lines please). So unless you are going to get all X-files with us can you please shut up.