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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 28-May-2009 At 10:03:08 AM TonyB

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On 27/05/2009 evanbb wrote:
>It's a personal thing,

Evan,

I assume from your comments that you believe that ice core data proves that man's CO2 is causing global warming. This belief was popularised by Al Gore in his Hollywood disaster movie. It is a belief held by many.

Most alarmist scientists are well aware that ice core data shows that temperatures rose before CO2 levels. A analogy that has been used to the heating of a bottle of soda ... temperature rises, CO2 escapes. In this case it is the oceans emitting CO2. The oceans hold 50 times as much CO2 as the atmosphere and they emit and absorb 20 times as much as man, at different times of the year, from different regions.

Al Gore's fallacious ice core "proof" is not used by IPCC.

There is not a scrap of evidence to indicate that man's CO2 is causing dangerous warming. Here's some basics for you:

CO2 levels have been 20 time higher than currently (Paleozoic era)

Global temperatures have been higher (Medieval Warm Period - 800 yrs ago)

The earth has a stable climate system (the climate has existed for 4B years), despite the above. It does not an unstable one as assumed by IPCC models (assumptions of positive feedbacks).

The earth has been warming for 180 yrs since the Little Ice Age. There has been no "abnormal" warming in recent years. The rate of warming for the past 30 years is the same as that between 1910 and 1940.

IPCC models have failed to forecast the gloabl cooling over the past 11 years.

Hadley/IPCC's listing of temperatures to an accuracy of 1/1000th of the recording accuracy can only be described as laughable, as is the concept of an "average" daily and "average" global temperature.

The number of weather stations has changed dramatically... we are not measuring the same thing now as we were 30 or 150 years ago:
http://www.abd.org.uk/images/graphs/stations_v_temp.gif

More than 70% of weather stations have errors >2 degrees http://www.surfacestations.org/

Antarctic ice has been growing at almost twice the rate that Arctic ice has decreased over the past 30 years.

... that should do for now.

Billions of dollars have been spent trying to prove man's CO2 is causing warming. There is a great deal of money to be made out of this nonsense, from futures trading to reseach dollars, to new taxes. What is clear is that the average wage and salary earner (most of you here) will pay dearly ... at least $1000 per annum, if the IPCC's recommendations are followed.

I have seen that for most people, this is no longer a scientific discussion. It is about beliefs ... beliefs created by the press and Hollywood. It is no different to voting in a government because of a belief that the GST is good for us. It is almost impossible to change such beliefs and bring people back to reality.

I feel no animosity to the believers in GW as I feel no animosity to my various friends who follow religions based on supreme beings.