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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 28-May-2009 At 9:41:36 AM GravityHound

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On 28/05/2009 harold wrote:
>Gravity Hound, why have you been duped? Someone with a PhD in chemistry
>can’t have a scientific view on anthropogenic global warming different
>than your own?

They certainly can, but someone who gets a PhD in chem engineering has to have the ability to understand the science behind AGW. Looking at his thesis title I would even expect that he did some modelling in there so I really doubt he doesn't understand the science. As a result I reckon he was arguing from an ideological point of view.

Pls show me where the science is in the Tony's posts. Certainly not his macro or the submarine pic. or that BBC doco! He continually asks for proof but doesnt offer any (or much) science to counter what we are claiming. Just ideology.

> Sure yours might be the
>majority view but since when was science a popularity contest?

Depends on how desperate a scientist is to get a job.....

>Fact is
>there are plenty of scientists of all disciplines who are skeptical of
>AGW, yet Gravity and Evan seem completely convinced that they are all either
>certifiably insane or have some bizarre ulterior motive.

Not at all, but most counter science can be discredited on some level. I have no doubt that the science which is deemed credible is assimilated into the CC knowledge base and improves our underatnding of the issue.

>So far for the
>crime of not believing Gravity and Evan have labeled Skeptics like Tony
>as equally evil as a holocaust denier or child molester, and as crazy as
>a UFO believing Raelian human cloner.

If you read the order of the posts, I did not know that Tony had a PhD when I mentioned the Raelian woman. I did not imply that Tony was a crazy UFO people made us all believer.

>By the way, as interesting as your arguments and links have been I’m still
>not convinced. You will just have to wait until it gets a bit hotter before
>you can say I told you so.:)
>

Even if and when temperatures rise, people will still be able to say "It wasn't the CO2. The IPCC was wrong all along. I dont belive the data that shows CO2 has caused this". Because it will be an ideological argument. Should we have stopped pumping out CO2 or not? Was what happened to the economy worth it? Should we lynch all the scientists that led us down this path?

As the science on this issue evolves, if it finds out CO2 played no role in climate change I am confient that I will have the humility to admit my beliefs were wrong. But will be grateful we stopped the pollution.