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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 27-May-2009 At 2:17:50 PM GravityHound

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I would like to make a few points Tony.

On 27/05/2009 TonyB wrote:

>Evan,
>A few comments on your link to your NS article. (If you read my earlier
>post, I pointed out how Al Gore's ice cores do NOT give causual evidence).
>It states:
>"after the initial 800 year lag, temperature and CO2 concentrations in
>the atmosphere rise together ".
>That is, ice core data shows that CO2 increase FOLLOW temperature increases.
>That is, CO2 is NOT a cause !

Point 1 -You don't bother reading anything and if you do you ignore it or just plain don't understand it.

>Models are not proof. Is is easy to make a model give any result you
>want.

Point 2 - This comment demonstrates that you have no understanding of the concept of models whatsoever. No going to bother pointing out the flaws in this comment (see point 1).

>CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas. By far the major greenhouse gas is water
>vapour. CO2 increases should cause a very small increase in global temperatures
>due to greenhouse effect. In theory a doubling of CO2 concentrations should
>give about a 1 degree temperature increase, ignoring the earth's self regulation
>mechanisms. This also assume that increase in CO2 are due to man.

Point 3 - Yaawwwnnnnn. Whatever. Post more photos of submarines, at least they were interesting from a historical point of view and I think Chockstone could really benefit from more photos of submarines.

>
>You may enjoy Prof Bob Carter's excellent series of videos on climate:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY

Point 4 - having the prefix of Dr, Associate Professor or Professor does not give a person instant credibility. Remember, the Raelian woman who claimed she cloned a human had a PhD. Now she definitely was a few sheep short in the top paddock.

Overall Tony, you remind me of hardcore christians I have spoken to that plain refuse to even consider the notion that their God may not exist. They have nothing they can say to any hypothetical position on the non-existence of their God because their blind faith doesn't let them even consider it. To them it just could not be true! He does exist!

This is contrary to what you have implied in your previous posts. You see, our conclusions are derived from rational thinking based on scientific enquiry. We can provide direct evidence of what we believe is happening, why it is happening and even what will happen in the future. You choose to disregard this evidence for whatever reason (pls refer to points 1 and 2) and have blind faith in the fact that thousands of the best minds in the world (other than yours, of course!) are wrong. Yet someone who works for _________ (pls fill in the blank. Are you playing us like fools and actually work for NASA?) can prove them wrong with your Excel macro, picture of a submarine and a BBC documentary that had holes punched through it like a wet paper bag (there is a bunch of info on this in its wikipedia page but again I refer you to points 1 and 2).

Good luck on your anti-global warming crusade. If you keep your faith, maintain your beliefs through these tortuous times of doubt, you will prevail and reign in the heretics and false-believers....and more and more photos like this will abound the internet