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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 26-May-2009 At 9:57:36 AM TonyB

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On 25/05/2009 evanbb wrote:
> So, how about you
>tell me what single piece of evidence would convince you that man made
>emissions of CO2 are changing the climate, and I'll see if I can find it.
>Deal? Here's your chance Tony, stake your claim.

Deal. Thank you. Any evidence will do. I'm sure the rest of the world would love to see it too. BTW as well as Mann's fraudulent 'hockey stick', you can also forget about stratospheric cooling (no change since 1994).

You may also care to look at temperatures over the past 100 years. 80% of fossil fuel consumption occurred after WW2 ... ie 1945 ... which is where the "alarming" warming should start. However warming between 1946 and 2009 is .011 degrees per annum compared to .016 degrees per annum for the first part of the century ! Pick different dates and you can get almost any values you want.

Between 1940 and 1970 temperatures fell.
Between 1971 and 1998 temperatures rose.
After 1998 temperatures have shown a slight fall.
... despite sudden increase in fossil fuel burning after 1945. With the recent increase in Somalian pirates, I wouldn't be surprised if pirate numbers show a better correlation with temperature than CO2. Sun spot numbers certainly show a good correlation with temperature ... although even such a good correlation alone is not proof.

It is also important to keep these tiny temperature changes in perspective. The IPCC wants you to pay $1000+ each year to ATTEMPT to limit a change that is 1/100 th of temperature recording accuracy (sound ridiculous ? ... it is !) . Wouldn't you prefer to spend your $1000 on climbing gear, rather than political nonsense ?