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OT: Moorabal/Lal Lal wind farm 22-May-2009 At 9:20:27 AM TonyB

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On 21/05/2009 GravityHound wrote:
>why do you post links that have plenty of data in them that counter what
>you are trying to convince us of.

Have you plotted this data for yourself ? It shows :

1. Warming since the Little Ice Age (the data doesn't go back the full 180 yrs)
2. No recent "alarming" increased warming due to increased industrialisation.
3. No warming in the past 12 years
4. A cooling trend of about -0.2 degrees per decade since IPCC2001 (Southern hemisphere data shows even greater cooling). This is about the rate that IPCC 2001 predicted it was supposed to warm !

As I said, I can post my plotting macro for the IPCC data if anyone is interested in the facts, rather than Hollywood movies.

Oceans ... sorry, they are alkaline. The oceans pump out 20 times as much CO2 as man does (you'll find this hidden in the IPCC reports).

Crops ... sorry again. CO2 is the world's cheapest fertilizer (assuming growth is not limited by other factors, such as water etc). Since 1950 CO2 has increased crop yields by an estimated 15%.

"The financial side" ... Yes ! Clearly that's what the CO2 scam is all about. Al Gore's $100,000,000 that he has scammed is tiny. Global carbon taxes are estimated at $2,000,000,000,000 per annum to stop a claimed warming of 0.006 degrees per annum ... that isn't happening. Of course there's also the billions of research dollars ... such as "the effects of climate change on the blue tit". There is BIG money in this nonsense. Anyone who thinks carbon trading is going to help the environment is naive.

>>evanbb
Yes, IPCC2007 does discuss observations as well as its models. However it does not provide a single shed of evidence that man's CO2 is responsible for any of the observations.

There is far better correlation of global temperatures with solar cycles. (Hard to believe the sun could cause warming isn't it). Solar cycle 24 seems to auger a very cool period ahead. There's lots of info on it, such as:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/08/noaa-swpc-solar-cycle-24-prediction-update-released-may-8-2009/

Those wishing to track the progress of the possibility of another Little Ice Age might want to follow:
http://www.solarcycle24.com/

The earth is also overdue for another major ice age. We are currently at the end of a 10,000yr interglacial period. If another Ice Age (large or small) does occur, it will have devasting effects, far worse than any warming. History tells the story.