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Brawl at Araps? 4-May-2009 At 11:04:50 PM muki

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On 4/05/2009 orwell wrote:

>Aside from libel and slander laws which prevent people from writing or
>saying what they want about people you're absolutely correct that people
>can say whatever they want about people - except if they're one of the
>people allegedly involved in an incident that is the subject of a police
>investigation...

No police investigation is underway at the moment because all charges for the assault have been
dropped by John and Grug, pretty big of them considering that they were well within their rights to
charge these criminals.
Yes criminals who violently attacked them with hammers, considered lethal weapons in a court of law.

>My point is that the views and opinions being spouted by people who have
>no idea what happened (you) can't be rebutted by those of us who actually
>know what happened (me) because whatever we say may legal ramifications
>if the matter comes to court.

were you a friend of the attackers ? a simple yes or no will do, I noticed you didn't answer that
question when asked earlier in the thread, if yes then your bias is clearly evident.

>Obviously some of those involved have had a say but once again it may
>or may not have an impact on the investigation.
>
>By all means those who have no idea what happened can continue to rant
>and rave and claim insight into the whole episode.

from an independent witness: not one of the party guests, but sitting out at the next camp site.

"CJ, Grug and crew were partying after having sent their proj and they were all a bit drunk, but it's OK.
When these pommy guys turn up and demand that they shut the F%#@ UP or else.
So being drunk and not liking the attitude given to them they play it up and start singing louder and
playing the arss hole song.
Then these guys come back with a few extra crew from the Blueys and just start swinging with
hammers, one was a metal lump hammer and the other was a plastic double ended job like they use in
wood carving, they just bashed Grug from behind where he sat playing, and then John jumped up and
he copped one to the head, but got up and it all ended up on the ground rolling around while I just
watched Horrified and unbelieving ! It spun the whole campground out for a few days.
Mind you the pricks who did the bashing f#@ked off pretty quick cos the cops had the name of one of
them that went to hospital afterwards, they packed up first light and scarpered."

>That's free speech, liberty, call it what you will.

I feel that the violent and brutal attack on a fellow climber... no matter how drunk or annoying he is, is
illegal, stupid, and reckless, if they had actually done any permanent harm to either CJ or Grug then
we would definitely be looking at a criminal investigation leading to charges laid in court and then jail.
As it turns out CJ is not pressing charges because there has never been a crime that lead to charges
being laid at the pines in relation to climbers, if this occurred it would trickle down the line leading no
doubt to extra enforcement, more regulation, (look at camp 4 in the ditch) and a change in the vibe.

I saw CJ's head wound a few days later, it saddened and disgusted me to think that a fellow climber
had done such a heinous act, whatever your relationship with these climbers is orwell, you can't say
that people must obey the law and not talk about it on one hand.... and ignore the assault with
grievous bodily harm that occurred on the other.

>If I didn't believe in it I wouldn't be a member of this forum.