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Tick Marks 20-Jan-2009 At 3:23:12 PM Tattersley-Muir

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On 18/01/2009 IdratherbeclimbingM9 wrote:
>tattersley-muir wrote:
>>Do you not think that all techniques used in aid climbing are10,000 times
>worse then a very
>>non-permanent spot of chalk? >Pitons, Peckers, RURPS, bolt ladders and
>worst of them >all, Bat-hooks do nothing but destroy the rock for some
>obscure (far more then routes or >boulders) goal. >It is impossible to
>disagree, if we are here to discuss whats pathetic then...
>
>I disagree.
>You seem not to have heard about 'clean aid'.
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>& tattersley-muir also wrote:
>>Tick marks don't destroy your onsight attempt, they increase your chances
>>of getting!
>>
>>Maybe its time for a discussion about the damage inflicted on the world
>>by aid climbing and even the
>>morality of gear placements in general if we're going to bother talking
>>the harm in ticking!
>>he he, that would be fun!
>>
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>Increased chance of getting?
>Hmm.
>You value this adventureless form of climbing do you?
>
>That's OK.
>It is all a game, so enjoy the moments while you are at it.

Of corse of corse "clean aid" is fantastic! i call it "trad dogging" usually.
Still, NATURAL GEAR DAMAGES THE ROCK MORE THEN TICK MARKS!!!
and dont pretend you enjoy the adventure side of climbing more then I, just because i want to know
where a little indent is on a crux sloper, know what im saying?
Bolts make no bones about it, natural gear is like Christianity.
i know we're not talking bolts but you catch my meaning.

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