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Ethics Horribilis 21-Dec-2007 At 5:08:42 PM sticky

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>On 21/12/2007 Macciza wrote:
>>Sorry but this begs comment. Examples -here is one : Going unprepared
>>up a mountain. getting in
>>extreme difficulty and expecting people to sacrifice and risk their safety
>>to save you, Not every 'walk-
>>by' in the mountains is as simple as most people make out - sometimes
>>inaction is justified , , ,
>>
>>My 'ethicus horribillus' is the 'glue-in ringbolt' and the whole 'pleasure
>>climbing' that flows on from that.
>>'Free Climbing' is being destroyed by safety nazi's who know nothing
>about
>>real danger . . .
>>'By fair means . . ' has long disappeared from general climbings lexicon
>>. . .
>
>A first you state that you dislike the idea of someone putting themselves
>in danger then expecting to be rescued. Then you state that someone who
>is a safety nazi doesn't know about real danger. Which way do you want
>it? :)
>
>I object to someone telling me because i don't run it out over a low number
>RP behind a hollow sound flake that would result in a ground fall my ascent
>has no real value. I worked hard and trained hard to unlock the particular
>line and when I failed does it matter that I fell on a glue in rather than
>a bit of trad gear. The fact that I didn't hit the deck is a bonus for
>me.
>
>So my 'Ethics Horribilis' is when someone forces their ethics/style on
>me then chastises me when I do it differently.

No, there's no contradiction in his argument if you take the view that the only people who should be climbing are burly hard men with no fear, and whose rack consists of six mashies, a skyhook and some sticky tape. People who would, quite literally, rather die than place a bolt.

People like him, in other words.

Just joking - Macciza, I don't know you from a bar of soap, but your post was pretty funny. I have to laugh at someone who thinks that when someone climbs without shitting themselves it's an ethical concern. WTF?

Merry Christmas everyone.