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Removing bolts to create trad paradise 13-May-2007 At 7:54:38 AM MR. REDZONE

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There doesnt seem to be any shortage of unclimbed choss in the grampians??

instead of defacing an established climbing area, why don't the trad nazi's go and find some top secret trad choss crag that they could call their own.

Their, they could ban ringbolts, pitons (laughable...do they still retail these in victoria?..there much more reliable than ringbolts.) sports climbers, carrot bolts, walk ins of less than one hour, rap rings, climbing shoes, chalk and those pesky international visitors....what do euro's know about climbing...right?. After all they only invented the sport. I'm sure the swiss and the frenchies in particular would think it a great idea to start tearing out ringbolts from a rockclimbing area. (I wouldn't try this ethic out at Ceuse though...it might get you deported) anyhow I digress.

If you want an elite purist trad venue then why dont you lazy buggers go and FIND ONE instead of vandalising an established one???. I was marveled at the number of inaccessible far off piles of rock in the gramps. Just jump in the Hilux, dust off the low range gear, fill the fridge full of beer, grab the air rifle and UR trad rack and go trekking!.

As for rap anchors at the top of routes...tsssss. with rap offs, you are limiting cliff top erosion, minimising the risk of falling debris and you are limiting damage to the vegetation because you dont have to bash your way through the bush via your chosen point of descent to get back down. That all sounds too environmental and safety freindly to me!. lets not have any rap anchors...what a silly idea rap anchors are.

disrespecting the 1st ascentionists as being null and void because they used one of the listed items:
-ringbolt
-piton (its been so long since i typed that word)
-carrot

is honestly realy cheap and disrespectful. If your too much of a purist to clip a bolt carrot or piton (giggling uncontrolably at that word now) then suck it up, be a man and just run it out princesses.
why dont we make all the 1st ascets that were done using chalk or climbing shoes null and void as well...then we could get lots more 1st ascents to our name!.

WOw, I suddenly feel very Austin Powers with all these 1960's ideas

yeeaaaahhhh baby!

Now, with this new pure mega trad nature and adventure SUPACRAG, I have proposed you could have your own place where you can dress up as pirates!, strap on your dunlop volleys and go tearing up choss mounds in the name of adventure. you might even find some TREASURE...aaahhhrrrrr haaarrrrrghh!!. judging by feedback from the thread, it would be population 2. hey at least you have someone to belay you. You could rest in the knowledge that your newly established PURE routes would never ever be repeated by ANYONE!!, and that you could brag endlessly on forums about how your ethics are pure and that your poo smells like roses, just to fill in the weekday.