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Ethics versus style debate continued 1-Jan-2007 At 3:03:19 PM brough

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Big Mike wrote:
>Right...

That's all OK with me, although I thought we had the startings of a decent technical debate outside of the Organ Pipe drama, and this debate was best placed in it's own thread.

We generally don't call people's actions (driven by their ethics) into question unless they affect others. That's why I've been at pains to point out I have no problems with Organ Pipe's (lack of (I jest)) ethics. My issue was with uwhp510's (I think) erroneous statement about style and ethics - independent of Organ Pipe.

uwhp510 wrote:
>There is a difference between ethics and style. Ethics is what you do to the route, and style is how you climb the route.

I'm happy for people to climb in whatever style they want, I mean who am I to comment and what does it matter? But I think the uwhp510 statement was/is technically incorrect and is a misuse of words. For the reasons I've stated above the uwhp510 statement is grammatically incorrect, although I agree with most of Big Mike's points in the fallout in this thread.

At the end of the day, even if the actions of one do not affect others, the actions can still be the result of ethics, can involve ethics, be informed by ethics. Big Mike himself said it - climbing style can be informed by climbing ethics.