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bow line 3-Dec-2006 At 10:27:01 AM AlanD

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Just re-reading back through this thread. It seems to me that some of the people in favour of bowline are not tying the "common" or "basic" bowline, but a rethreaded version of it, possibly a "birmingham bowline" or "bowline on the bite". As there are about 40 variants of a bowline, it's important to specify that if you're using/discussing a variant of the common bowline, then you should indicate that. The some of the variants of the bowline will not acidently come undone, would not significantly weaken the rope and are probably safer than a double figure of 8, if they are correctly tied. The people questioning the safety of the bowline I assume are discussing the common bowline. The end result is confusion.

While the discussion of the figure 8 has ocurred, it's only logical to assume that people are discussing the "double figure of 8" knot, as a "figure 8" knot does not form a loop.

Edit: Even the "double figure of 8" has different meanings looking at the "knot tying tech tips in Chockstone. My references to the "double figure of 8" is termed here a "figure 8 on the bite" or "figure 8 with follow through" and not the "bunny ear figure 8".