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Docs rant thread 11-Jul-2006 At 12:46:03 PM climbingjac

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On 11/07/2006 Ronny wrote:
>No one, devious included I would assume, thinks that Jacquie has done
>anything other than an excellent effort at getting Burnley together. There's
>also no doubt that it was done truely altruistically. But it is still
>fine for someone to say that they don't like the way it is being run, or
>would prefer it had a differnt focus. Devious did this a bit provocatively,
>but that's what he did.

We do not mind feedback at all - we have relied heavily on it to help identify things that needed doing at Burnley that had been overlooked. Yes we are listening. But we have to listen to hundreds of ideas and pick a happy medium that suits everyone. It would be very unwise of us to make decisions based on only one or two people - who quite frankly don't exist until a name is put to the comment. We have to listen to everyone, and make decisions accordingly. For example, in my world, I have no use for vertical walls. So if were only up to me, I may never have even thought of installing a vertical wall at Burnley. But then what about people that aren't so strong on the overhangs, or have elbow troubles, or ....?

I tried to make a point in my Burnley thread that "isn't it nice people are enjoying our wall - we've been told by a retailer than Burnley newbies have been coming in buying shoes." That was the point. I also did not mention only Bogong in my post. I also mentioned two specific gyms. Many of my posts have made reference to major sponsors as well. And so they should. People's jaws hit the ground when they realise how much money has been handed to us on a silver platter so we can all have ourselves a free training facility. Noone puts up that kind of money and hides in the shadows about it. Noone.

Anyway, everyone can rest happy that nothing productive like the Burnley project will ever happen again. Why would a person put up a few years of their time, and do a job that is almost full time, to listen to this kind of nonsense? Certainly not me. And not anyone else that is seeing the kind of reaction it draws. It makes me feel ashamed of being a climber, really. If if you want something, there's a way of going about it, and Neil and Simon (oops I mean drdevious) are not going about it very nicely. Posting my PMs?? Really and truly. Throwing tantrums in the Burnley thread? No thankyou very much. Most people have realised that thread is sort of special - a place to say thankyou to everyone that helped. (Not just me - there are 130 others.) Not a place for making them wish they hadn't bothered. My patience has ended on that kind of behaviour. A nicer way of introducing your feelings on the matter may have been something like "Hi, I'm a little concerned about the gyms and crags exceeding capacity with the (potential) influx of new climbers, which may lead to having to wait for ropes in the gyms, erosion at the crags etc etc etc. Would it be possible for the VCC to investigate the likelihood of this?".

Your point has been made. You don't wish to share the world with others. That's unfortunate - because the world is here for all of us. Sharing was taught in kindergarten as I recall. The alternative is, I guess, stay at home and hide from the world.

Have a nice day :-)