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Dano Osman - Insane Speed Climbing 2-May-2006 At 1:24:40 PM duglash

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>Boldness is when do do something reckless and pull it off. Reckless is
>when you try something bold but don't...
I can definitely understand what you're saying here Martin, there is certainly a likelihood of that
perception, but I think there's a difference between a bold and a reckless approach, regardless of the
outcome -
>People can undertake bold climbs, yet display good judgement and skill to remain
>in control. Recklessness implies a lack of judgement and control.
(thanks Simey, that's what I was after)

>Given this is a guy who chose to be in the
>public eye by carrying out various stunts, I can't understand what is wrong
>with analysing his life and death.
Yeah, what I am trying to do is elucidate, for myself as much as anyone else, as to why I feel sick and
sad to see life treated so cheaply as in that speed soloing. Compared to which watching Dave J solo
Exodus, for example, was a totally different experience. He was in control, mentally and physically, and I
found it inspiring to see someone doing something amazing for the joy of it.

I am to an extent making a judgement on Osman's approach, but not without understanding. It's a crazy
world in many ways and i can understand virtually any approach to life as a result. Also I appreciate it's
risky doing so just from reading a few articles and seeing a bit of video, and I'm quite open to my point of
view changing, say if I met someone who knew him who gave me a different perspective. Personally
though I am uneasy with the fact that "Osman's stunts are ... still hyped as something commendable"
and I'm trying to express why.

I'm not really concerned with the lay person's perception of risk either. I'm coming from a climber's point
of view.

>i think doing things that are unconventional are incredibly creative, and a lot of criticism about it would
>come simply because its different. normalising attitudes apply to fringe activities as well.
This is a good point anthony, and I realise that it's not the acts so much I'm talking about (which are
creative, definitely) but the motivation, which seems to a fair degree come from external sources,
wanting to impress - being filmed, being on the phone while jumping etc

Jumping from a month old setup that had been out in freezing conditions, adding a significant length of
rope and launching from a new position all at once does seem like a careless way to treat your life to
me.