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Araps Rebolting 21-Dec-2005 At 1:05:16 PM Jonesy

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Good to hear some other opinions on the topic. Just to tweak the debate along a bit and to maybe lower the tone somewhat.... are these routes being retro/rebolted by someone who'd done it in it's previous form, or by a person who wanted to climb it but was unprepared to unless it was re-equipped?

I think it's an important point that re-equipping may be occuring under the guise of a community service when infact it is an inherently selfish act.

In the case of Mind Arthritis, there's plenty of great 26's without runout finishes, so maybe leave a couple of exciting ones for people who want to go and do them. If you've got your heart set on doing the route then alternatively you could top-rope the route first if you don't want to do the runout onsight and then go for the redpoint. Nothing wrong with that, we've all done it from time to time. The top bit we were talking about here is trivial in difficulty compared to the tasty crux below.

As for Procul and Aftermath, once again I think Simey is on the money. Those routes should be left untouched complete with their hanging armaments intact. Neither of them needed anything doing to them.

BTW the quality of the peg on turinga didn't seem to bother Jon Muir on his ascent.....

Also I love SImey's idea about heritage listing and leaving the hangers at the base of HAGF _ a brilliant solution! Let's think outside the box and not go down the path of homogenisation. Open the first page of any guide book "climbing is an inherently dangerous activity". Caveat Emptor.

As for VCC recommendations - what the hell would they know? If we wanted to be part of a club we'd be footy players.