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New pitons on Watch Tower 8-Feb-2005 At 10:27:27 AM Tel

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On 8/02/2005 maxots wrote:

>>On 8/02/2005 simey wrote:
>> All I can say alrob is "Don't bother, you are a dipstick"

This response makes you look silly !
>keep up the real debate!

..agreed

isn't this about people 'becoming lazy' and not looking for other means of protection through the placing of gear such as wires cams etc. Earlier posts suggest that there is the availability of natural protection. Simon mentioned earlier about not investing in items to rig a belay, it would seem if that is the case,... then why not put a bolt in?

On 8/02/2005 cheesehead wrote:
>Maxots points out in another thread, and Simey hints
>here that the first ascentionist doesn't always do things right, or that
>things can be improved upon.
>I don't always want to do things the way the FA was done, nor do I think
>it should be imposed on others to do so either.

I see this as a good argument from the "historical aspects" point of view. Just because thats the way it was, doesn't mean to say thats the way it has to be. I'm not advocating bolting everything as that debate is well documented. I do question though whether there is a need for for pieces in situ to remind us of how it was done back in the day, and if they are there does that change or have an impact on how someone feels about the climb.