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Mountaineer death on Cho Oyu 21-May-2003 At 2:13:37 PM Donut King

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tim your point is well made.

but icant help thinking that if they were to ban climbing then what would become of the sherpas?
would they all return to farming?

is the solution (like there really is gona be one-.....duh) to simply start paying some sort of award rates as set by a governing body?

Explotation is a nasty tag, but what exactly is unfair about the situation here? Do the Sherpas feel exploited? (i dont know, dont know any sherpas) From all acounts the peole who I know that go a climb big chuncks of roack and snow say that their sherpas are, on the whole, top people and get paid accordingly. Sure it might seam like a pitance campared to what you get on the dole here in Oz,

All those folk that get upset by, well then the next time you go on expidition and require sherpas, you pay them US$100 per day, plus food, plus whatever and make your point.

I think whats happeing with Nike use of workers in the Philipnes is a bit weak, and i dont buy nike, but who cares. Nike is BIG business, customers dont want to pay BIG prices, so get manufactoring at the lowest price, its an open market. Nike is a listed compmnay, shareholders want good returns

the guts is (finally) that as humans we (generally) care more about hte financial cost rather then the human cost, IMHO of course!

its not a delima that its one of the few rewarding things to do in Nepal, on the contrary it allows people to actually do somthing other than scratch a life out of the soil. where would they be without climbing, it generates huge (relative) cash flow for the community.

there is no level playing field, lifes a bitch...then you die on top of some godforsaken frozen mountian cos you paid someone US$70,0000 to drag you up there.

Yeah i agree about the "porter-for-the-dole" scheme, it sounds great...but us humans generally being the self-interested, purile, me-me-me, bludgers, get-away-with-doing-the-least-possible-work-types, with the "someone owes me somthing, its not fair i want a DVD player as well" attitde, there is no way that it would be done....but imagine that cold bear after topping out on Rosea on a hot day....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

dk out