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Climbing Mediawatch 24-Jan-2022 At 10:34:09 AM gordoste

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On 17-Jan-2022 chalkischeap wrote:
>On 10-Jan-2022 gordoste wrote:
>>"We have to be willing to talk to TOs"
>
>We were always willing. Gordoste you are 3 years behind.
>
>The response was - YOU ARE CLIMBING ON STOLEN LAND
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>All of it.
>
>This sentiment was stirred up by a certain Chief Operating Officer at
>Parks Victoria (now moved on).

I wanted to leave this alone but I can't let you misquote me. You removed half of my sentence... I said "We have to be willing to talk to TOs, ask which ones need to be off limits and then respect that." We were willing to talk in the past, but always from a position of "we are entitled to climb wherever we like". That is why we got the response you describe - and describing it as stolen land is more true than false.

3 years ago, few (if any) climbers were willing to contemplate the complete closure of some cliffs to protect heritage values. Even now, some are saying that closing one crag is a slippery slope that inevitably leads to the complete banning of climbing. If everyone thinks like that, we'll never get anywhere.