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Climbing Mediawatch 11-Jan-2022 At 9:32:04 AM gordoste

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On 10-Jan-2022 dalai wrote:
>We will have to agree to disagree.
>
>Most climbers are willling to find some middle ground and do understand
>we can't climb everywhere.
>
>But if the TO's have the ability to remove a user group with minimal fuss
>(those opposing will be labelled racist as already seen during the Gariwerd
>bans) why would they bother liasing with the user group?
>
>As more areas are returned to TO's, I expect more areas will be closed
>off. Naive to think otherwise...

I don't think we are disagreeing all that much. It really depends what happens in the next few months.

If we can establish a collaborative model for agreeing the closure of individual climbs , rather than entire crags, then that should become the preferred solution where possible (it won't always be possible). This is what the "middle ground" looks like, and if we can get there then the widespread closures you talk about will not happen.

But if the current ongoing discussions about management of climbing in Gariwerd and Djurite just ends with climbers refusing to recognise that our "right to climb" requires TO approval, then you are 100% right - we'll be cut out of the loop and things will just be closed wholesale.

If you think that TOs will just cynically cut us out, then I guess we'll have to wait and see if you're right. The positive reception to the efforts of GWRN to educate them on climbing gives me hope.