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VCC and ACAV, together on the sand??? 23-Sep-2019 At 11:47:30 AM silver_13

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On 23-Sep-2019 kieranl wrote:
>On 23-Sep-2019 One Day Hero wrote:
>>On 22-Sep-2019 Silver_13 wrote:
>>>This in turn does mean that climbers should be allowed
>>>free reign because we do a lot less damage than day visitors (let alone
>>>PV themselves)
>>
>>No the fuch it doesn't! We need to be a responsible, self-regulating
>user
>>group who demonstrate that we have limited scope to our ambitions and
>that
>>we'll come down hard on members of the community who display gross disregard
>>for common sense.
>

Of course we do. However, at the moment we are no worse than any other user group. Law should be applied to everyone equally, otherwise it's not a law.

>And this is a rare occasion where ODH and me are in total agreement.
>
>I believe in the value of Cultural Heritage but if you don't, there is
>also a totally pragmatic view: the Traditional Owners have the power here.
>There are legal rpowers relating to Cultural Heritage and current and pending
>Land Rights determinations. Then there are moral powers. Have a look at
>the Western Highway where a rag-tag camp has held up a multi-million dollar
>project for a couple of years.

I do hope that the Traditional Owners are interested in stopping commercialisation and overdevelopment of National Parks.

>Imagine if Muline was unambiguously re-opened
>and a single TO set up camp under it in protest. That would just shut it
>down. That's the sort of power we are talking about.

May yet happen in a non-closed area, see the note from the article. https://savegrampiansclimbing.org/2019/06/21/assessing-the-future-of-climbing/

>
>The internet is a public space. What is said here is public and, trust
>me, every party with an interest in the climbing issue reads it. So think
>about what you are going to write and who is going to read it.
>
>
I believe that people are smarter than that. And if someone wants to be upset they'll find a reason anyway.