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VCC and ACAV, together on the sand??? 22-Sep-2019 At 6:59:44 PM Silver_13

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On 22-Sep-2019 dave_s wrote:
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>Depends on what you define as harm. Climbers have never been shown to
>have drilled directly into rock art in Victoria, however we have climbed
>directly over rock art, and we have put up adjacent climbs which are unacceptable
>close to rock art. To take an extreme definition of harm, TOs have even
>objected to the permanent chalk stains left on overhangs.
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Agree that climbs that are unacceptable close to rock art, should not be climbed. Is there a list of such climbs, anyone knows what they are and where they are? A granular approach should be taken, not just banning 500 sq km.
Talking about chalk marks, well chalk use can be limited or banned in some areas but at the and of the day world changes, there are 25mln people in Au now and there will be heaps more soon. People do change environment and chalk marks are nothing comparing to steel rails installed by PV.

> As far as I'm aware the bolts installed around rock art (in the Black Range) were never removed.
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Apologies, I had impression the bolt close to Black Range art, was removed.

>That's not an excuse though, because damage caused by tourists is should
>not be acceptable either. If anything, that's a reason to ban hikers, not
>a reason to give climbers free reign.
>
The fact that any visitors are allowed to Grampians means that PV and TOs do accept reality. This in turn does mean that climbers should be allowed free reign because we do a lot less damage than day visitors (let alone PV themselves)