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Tweets Trending on Chocky 6-Jul-2019 At 2:26:51 PM ima.seriousyoungliza
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>>> Ab-original routes in the Gramps and other places?

.on 29 March 2016 ima wrote :

>>>fair dinkum technical rock climbing starts around 12-16 ...ima
>>> sure aboriginals ...eerrrrr....indigenous people were climbing in
>>> that range for 40000 years anyway ....getting eggs out of nests on cliff faces etc ...
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>>>the Mount Arapiles survey had been sparked by the Grampians bans...

http://www.facebook.com/barengi.council/

A step in the wrong direction. This will only serve to divide us.
If we use the past horrors of colonialism as justification to fracture
our current societies we only make this injustice eternal and
suffer its everlasting impact moving forward. What will happen
to us from here? This is not the way.
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i’m sorry but what do you mean by this? How is the Land
Council using its powers under the Heritage Act to make
decisions in relation to cultural heritage management using
the past horrors of colonialism to justify fracturing current societies?
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In a broader sense. Many places are now becoming
non-accessible to the wider community - this creates
divi sion. This is not an isolated case. Colonialism/colonization
is often used to justify this, that is how it continues
to divide us. See this article as an example
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/legal-fight-for-beaches-in-high-court/11245540
if bans go through at Arapiles, the impact on the
community of Natimuk will be devastating.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/everyone-left-hanging-over-grampians-national-park-climbing-ban/news-story/62bc2cc639f9b8a27ab397d63b1392c0

This desire to ensure Victoria becomes the first state to
enter into a treaty
has led, in part, to the government effectively
blowing up the reputation of a climbing community that insists it
overwhelmingly does the right thing in the national park or would
do the right thing if educated properly.

Treaty precur sor

Central to the lead-up to any formal ratification of a treaty
is the government’s legislative and policy agenda that seeks
to give much greater rights over cultural heritage to first owners
particularly in the cont ext of state-owned land such as national
and state parks.


Other states, such as NSW, have gone down the path of
co-managing parks with traditional owners but Victoria, despite
having a relatively low indigenous population, is leading the
national reconciliation charge. The policy of greater engagemen
and indigenous control and access has implications across the
state, depending on the aggressiveness and determination of
traditional owners in other areas who have been handed
sweeping control over cultural heritage
.

In 2014, the northern end of the Grampians was subject to intense fires...The fire
scorched vegetation, leaving behind sand and black twigs but also
exposing even more Aboriginal artefacts, including quarries and, as
much as experts can tell, probably rock art that had been hidden in
the bush....indigenous leaders try to keep secret the locations
of many of the sites to protect them from damage and preserve the sanctity of the location
.

Uncle Ron Marks, a Wotjobaluk elder with a long history with the
Grampians and Mount Arapiles, says a common ground can be
reached between indigenous leaders and climbers. Most climbers,
he says, know how to behave.

“But then there are the dills that don’t give a rat’s clacker
. And
that’s like everywhere,’’ he told The Weekend Australian last week.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-08/treaty-what-is-it-and-why-victoria-working-on/8779050

http://w.www.vic.gov.au/aboriginalvictoria/treaty/australia%E2%80%99s-first-ever-treaty-legislation-is-set-to-become-law.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPYHVFvMiNY

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NOW TAKE A DEEP BREATH

'...Kropinyeri, a Ngarrindjeri man from South Australia, also uses his
performances to raise political issues....He jokes about "Aboriginal issues"
like alcoholism and high incarceration rates, but this self-styled
mockery quickly turns into social critique....His joking clearly points to
the underlying hypocrisies of non-Indigenous socio-political system
that have created such dysfunction in the first place...Mickey-taking is
a great Australian humour tradition
; and self-deprecation allows Indigenous
comedians to raise issues that could strike raw nerves with non-Indigenous audiences.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-29/deadly-funny-the-aboriginal-comedians-cracking-up-australia/8396586

'...Saunders gets a kick out of seeing the dilemma on peoples' faces as they decide whether it is appropriate or not to laugh at his set...
...he feels that it's important for him to have the courage to say contentious things in his routines...'
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Saunders as ' Frankie Jackson' ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbkvoj6SC0w

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.AND THEN THERE'S...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdghVSXD9BA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67JB7kPVWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-IPcVaif3Q


Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Arapiles

'...The Djurid Balud Aboriginal clan inhabited the nearby area for thousands
of years prior to the European colonisation of Australia. They used the
mountain's hard sandstone for making various stone tools, and found
shelter in its many gullies and small caves. Following European settlement
in the mid-1840s, the Djurid Balud were displaced from the area, leading
to the breaking up of the clan. The loss of the resources that the mountain
provided, the ravages of European disease, and armed clashes with the
settlers were all contributing factors. By the early 1870s, the last of the
Djurid Balud had been relocated to mission stations. Some of their descendants
still live in the area and there are also a number of archaeological sites
nearby. Indeed, a survey of Mount Arapiles in 1992 located no fewer
than 42 Aboriginal archaeological sites, including "quarries" for hard stone
for implements, scarred trees and rock art sites
....'
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http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/your-rights/native-title/proposed-recognition-and-settlement-agreement-with-the-wotjobaluk-jaadwa

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...traditional owners are now in a very rational/legal/ljurisdictional position to action the findings of 1992..

Hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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