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Grampians Access 2019 11-Mar-2019 At 3:14:11 PM Access T CliffCare

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On 10-Mar-2019 Nottobetaken wrote:
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>That said, it's pretty clear that PV had this on their radar to begin
>with, and no amount of stakeholder meetings or otherwise was going to change
>that. It seems PV are operating on a 'depends who you talk to' policy -
>and deliberately confusing the issue through inconsistent and/or lack of
>communication toward the climbing community. Not even Cliffcare understands
>the picture and in many cases simple phone calls by climbers themselves
>or face to face meetings are gaining more clarity. This is obviously a
>PV strategy, as the more climbers are confused by what closures are in
>place, the more climbers will confront the situation with Parks officials
>on the ground, leading to some pretty colourful conversations. If I drive
>6 hours from Adelaide, 14 hours from Sydney, or 4 from Melbourne - only
>to be met by a PV ranger telling me that xxx area that I'm in is closed
>only to climbers (despite no communication otherwise/no signage/and contrary
>to notifications on their website/ABC radio interviews and the like - I'll
>be telling them where they can stick that.

I would like to be able to respond to the wealth of questions and comments that are out there, be it on Chockstone or other social media sites, but the reality is at the moment there aren't enough hours in the day for the work that is being done. But this response to your comment -
>Not even Cliffcare understands
>the picture and in many cases simple phone calls by climbers themselves
>or face to face meetings are gaining more clarity.

might shed some light on not 'understanding the picture' What is important is that any of the information that CliffCare and the working group share is information that has to the best of our knowledge been clarified.

I have spent a good part of the last couple of weeks on the phone back and forth between various people and offices of Parks Victoria, discussing the recent messaging with maps and info sheet, highlighting the ambiguity, addressing the questions that people are asking and then going back again and discussing more.

The noise out there is full of 'he said, she said, they said, we said'. We are getting closer to information that is on the same page but it can't be said enough that what we are dealing with here is not a fix this bit up and all is good. This is complex and layered and there is no quick fix. When we have clear messaging that answers some of the questions, then we will make a statement saying there has been clarification. At the moment, one persons clarity totally contradicts another persons clarity.

Once we get some of this in place (along with a multitude of other things), then we can actually start to address the very real concerns and issues of what got us here in the first place. And that is on both sides. 'This has been a long time coming' sums up quite well the real concerns and issues of what got us here in the first place.