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Grampians Access 2019 10-Mar-2019 At 9:02:27 AM Nottobetaken

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On 10-Mar-2019 The good Dr wrote:
>One of the sad, crazy and ironic things regarding the current furore is that the person responsible for the Black Ian's debacle is a guide who can continue to operate in the grampians.

What is with this policy amongst climbers of 'he who must not be named' bullshit? I've seen this before in other states whereby an incident has occurred that has gone completely against what the majority of climbers believe in and uphold - only for the perpetrator to remain 'anonymous' despite several well known people having the knowledge of exactly who it was in the first place.

That said, it's pretty clear that PV had this on their radar to begin with, and no amount of stakeholder meetings or otherwise was going to change that. It seems PV are operating on a 'depends who you talk to' policy - and deliberately confusing the issue through inconsistent and/or lack of communication toward the climbing community. Not even Cliffcare understands the picture and in many cases simple phone calls by climbers themselves or face to face meetings are gaining more clarity. This is obviously a PV strategy, as the more climbers are confused by what closures are in place, the more climbers will confront the situation with Parks officials on the ground, leading to some pretty colourful conversations. If I drive 6 hours from Adelaide, 14 hours from Sydney, or 4 from Melbourne - only to be met by a PV ranger telling me that xxx area that I'm in is closed only to climbers (despite no communication otherwise/no signage/and contrary to notifications on their website/ABC radio interviews and the like - I'll be telling them where they can stick that.

Finally, so much for...
On 15-Feb-2019 ademmert wrote:
>On 14-Feb-2019 gordoste wrote:
>>Let's be clear - this is a test to see if climbers can be trusted to police ourselves. If we do not obey the ban, the areas will never be re-opened. If we prove we can respect others, we will get respect in return and can start a conversation about whether some of the areas can be partially reopened.

Clearly this is utter bullshit.