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CliffCare Survey-Please help out 8-Feb-2019 At 5:03:51 PM Access T CliffCare

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And another prompt for this.

We will be closing the survey on 15th February. Thanks to all who have responded to the request to complete the survey. If you haven't already, please take the 10 minutes (or more if you want to provide some thoughts at the end). Whilst there have been critiques of the survey - as there has been with most of the processes we have been engaging in - we are getting great feedback on the survey. It may not ask all the questions you want to give answers to, nor is is as specific as some people would want. If we created the survey that 'ticked' everyone's boxes it would be so long that people would lose interest half way through. We have someone who works on surveys doing it, and whilst taking on your criticisms, we still think the survey as it stands is a good start to gather a monumental amount of information that isn't out there from a diverse and fragmented community. This survey allows us to ascertain the areas of interest that require a more specific focus in another survey.

I have to also add, that the climbing community over time has been asked both publicly and privately to provide feedback and thoughts on many of the issues in the Grampians...either privately or publicly. Some have but nowhere near enough to be really helpful and some of the loudest now were some of the quietest previously. If those who think the the survey is crap and severely lacking want to say more, drop me a line. Please. The feedback I like the most on the survey are the comments that people have taken the time to add. We are still a small enough community to be able to read all of that and take it on.

As far as understanding what is important out there in terms of cliffs and their importance, knowledge and negotiating skills - of course this is an understandable concern. This process was never going to be about a couple of people who were going to 'fix' things up. This is a community issue. The process was always about getting people involved who had the right skill sets and represented certain sections of the climbing community, and this has been happening from before the 'proverbial hit the fan' publicly. There have been many issues over the 11 years I have been in the job and have engaged with land manangers at cliffs such as Taipan, Gallery, Bundaleer, Rosea, Ravine to name just a few. I can assure you that the people that have had to deal with the beginnings of the road we are on are well aware of what makes the climbing in the Grampians world class.

Some of those on the working group who will be directly involved with negotiations can be seen here -

http://www.chockstone.org/Forum/Forum.asp?Action=Display&ForumID=1&MessageID=133742&Replies=0

I will have a full list of Grampians Access working group members up publicly soon. Along with those who will be helping out on the technical working group.

In the meantime, go ahead and tick some boxes. Write some comments. Or drop me a line cliffcare@vicclimb.org.au

Thanks.