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CliffCare Survey-Please help out 6-Jan-2019 At 10:50:00 AM kieranl

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On 4-Jan-2019 One Day Hero wrote:
>I apologise for last nights comments, they were probably unclear as I'd
>had half a bottle of wine. Tonight I've had the other half a bottle and
>will attempt to straighten things out.
>
>>I did read ODHs stuff pretty carefully.
>>
>>Essentially he's putting up a strawman scenario that neotiations are
>going
>>to be on a transactional basis, that one area will be traded off against
>>another : I'll give you this if you give me that. The scenario of trading
>>Muline for some minor crag is complete rubbish of course.
>
>No, that wasn't what I was trying to get at. The point I was trying to
>make was how can someone be trusted to negotiate access to crags if they
>have never climbed at those crags and don't know their value? Is there
>any formal acknowledgement within the VCC that not all crags are of equal
>worth to the climbing community? If a world class crag also has cultural
>heritage issues, then the job is to find a way to protect the site while
>maintaining climbing access.
>>

That's a view that I can appreciate even though I think it is invalid. There's not a lot of point going around in further circles about it because we will continue to disagree.

But, fortunately your initial assumption that everything is in the hands of "career bumblies" isn't right. I didn't want to verbal anyone by mis-remembering something so spent some time going through my emails (the gmail search is pretty damn useless).

Here's an excerpt from an email from Cliffcare on 9/11/2018 :

"We were currently in the process of organizing a couple of working groups. For one
of these, developer reps will be an integral part of moving forward and hearing
feedback from all efficiently. Adam Demmert has agreed to be the rep for climbing
developers and Simon Weill for bouldering developers. How they choose to set up
their system to work with you all will be up to them should it be a combined one or
separate or maybe both."

So, there are things in progress, even if all seems to be moving slowly. I guess the survey, whatever its flaws, is just part of the initial phase.