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CliffCare Survey-Please help out 4-Jan-2019 At 5:44:28 AM phil_nev
On 3-Jan-2019 One Day Hero wrote:
>I filled the survey out, but feel obliged to offer a critique.
>Many of the questions seem to be phrased as false choices (or at least
>limited choice from a potentially broad range of valid opinions).
>For example, a couple of the questions regarding aboriginal sites and
>climbing are phrased more or less as "are you a racist fuchstick who wants
>to shit all over significant sites, or are you a good person who is cool
>with us permanently banning climbing at any crag which shows the slightest
>sign of being visited by the traditional owners?"
>I don't think that anywhere on the agree-disagree spectrum properly captures
>my sentiment that the very way the question is being phrased is simplistic
>and seems designed to force the desired answer.
>Also, the land managers, VCC, and the climbing scene in general need to
>address the issue of oranges and apples. Muline and Eureka have nothing
>to do with Joe Goding's piece of shit crags, or Weir's Creek, or Sentinel
>fuching Rock. I understand that many of the climbers who will engage in
>negotiations are god-awful career bumblies, but you have to understand
>that the vast majority of worthwhile climbing in the Victoria Range is
>hard and most of the easy stuff is garbage. That's not me being "gradist",
>it's just geology working against low grade climbers so tough shit. The
>roles are reversed at Arapiles, where most of the good climbing leans towards
>the easier end of the spectrum.
>The point of the previous paragraph is that if anyone goes into negotiations
>with the idea of giving up Muline so that we get to keep access to Mt.
>Knobrider or Arsecrack Crag or some other useless bumbly shit and that
>this result is "equitable" or "the best overall result for the whole of
>the climbing community", then they are a traitor.
>Differentiate between world class crags, good local crags, and pieces
>of disposable shit, and negotiate accordingly. If the people talking to
>land managers can't tell the difference, they are the wrong people to be
>talking to land managers.

I can't believe I'm saying this... But I agree 100% with all of the above! First time for everything ODH. The phrasing of the questions had me stumped also. Of course I give a sh$t about preserving cultural heritage and the environment we love... But A blanket ban of an entire region isn't the answer.

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