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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 16-May-2018 At 12:30:00 PM nmonteith

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On 16-May-2018 kieranl wrote:
>How do we say that a climb has been around long enough that it is no longer
>appropriate to remove the bolts? How long is the time-frame? Do we judge
>climbs we care about differently to others?

I actually think the only time bolts should be chopped is if the bolts in question have been complained about - for example if they are visible from major tourist hiking tracks or are in aboriginal caves (Black Ians). Sandinista Wall is one area I think is a contender due to it being a popular spot for tourists to stop and rest.

Fortress - I don't have my guides with me - but isn't there some bolts on the hard Carrigan/Shepherd wall routes left of Passport?

I believe the sport route done by Nick Hanc--k is somewhere on the cliffline where the upper access tracks walk below - so could be visible to tourists and rangers easily. But I haven't seen it myself. Bolts could be rust stains by now - and entirely invisible.