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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 15-May-2018 At 7:19:22 PM Duang Daunk

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On 15-May-2018 Wendy wrote:
>On 14-May-2018 Duang Daunk wrote:
>>On 14-May-2018 One Day Hero wrote:
>>>On 14-May-2018 Wendy wrote:
>>>>Why do I feel like people have PV paranoia? PV know we place bolts.
>>They
>>>>know there are lots of them. They have had the public complain about
>>>>them before. If they were going to blanket ban climbing because of
>the
>>mere
>>>>existing of bolting, they would have done so already.
>>
>>They have in at least one other State.
>>>
>
>Really? I can't think of an entire state where bolting is banned because
>of existing inconsiderate bolting, and there are only 6 to choose from.

"in" sister, not "an entire".

>What, you don't think that the spread of DW style development would lead to PV involvement? I'm not saying that I think a few mixed routes at Rosea will lead to wholescale bolting there, but that if it did, it would probably come to the attention of PV.

Of course DW style of bolting spreading to other areas should rightly concern PV. The wonder is that they haven't sent heavy duty messages to us already about DW.
It also concerns ODH, and FatBoy, and me and my minions!, plus some other bro's and sisters who I will call the silent majority, you know, those ones that will whinge when their liberty to climb sport is banned by PV or other State equivalents...

Btw, I've met bro Joe G and we are on amicable terms, it just shits me his lowest common denominator sense of safetyising everything he puts up, irrespective of whether those routes are in predominantly bold-ish trad areas; and for bro bigchris's benefit, I've also met bro muki and discussed with him his retroing of Alis chains at the piles. He doesn't intimidate me and it didn't take guts to talk about it with him, so your keyboard warrior comment (New bolt on Blimp - Bundaleer thread), is way off mark.

>Perhaps calling to "climbing ethics" is no longer really going to be a very effective call, because the population and the culture is changing. What the majority consider normal has shifted.

Yes it has shifted - To the What about me, I'm entitled and it isn't fair, I haven't bolted enough and I want more share - mentality.
Irrespective of the moratorium even if it was set at sea level, some of us have had enough and are now going choppo-recalcitrant, and Gordy types are soon going to be outnumbered.
If you think it won't have an effect and work for balance eventually, then read some history on the bolt wars of Cornwall and other southern UK climbing hotspots of yesteryear. Feel free to call this attitude climber self regulation if you like!