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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 15-May-2018 At 10:14:05 AM Wendy

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On 15-May-2018 chalkischeap wrote:
>What's wrong with Dreamtime? (serious question, haven't been yet but I
>expect that I will enjoy it)

The rock is terrible. Half the cliff has been jimmied off in order to try and make something climbable. When you have to do that, it's a sure sign it was never meant to be a mega crag.

The base of the cliff and access tracks are trashed by traffic - it is steep and loose and eroding badly.

People keep driving around gates to get in there.

People create new bush camps there.

And this was happening 6 years ago, so I expect it is looking worse now. People tell me the rock has not cleaned up greatly with traffic either.

Basically, it was never a good area for masses of people, so to turn it into an easy sport crag brought a bunch of traffic that would have a big impact. Plus an unacceptable amount of cleaning was required to make it climbable (ish - the rock is still pretty bad). Plus people demonstrated they were typically irresponsible with access.

I love a good sport crag. Dreamtime Wall is not a good sport crag.
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