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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 15-May-2018 At 8:52:18 AM (removed)

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On 15-May-2018 Wendy wrote:
>So if we aren't trusting the climbing community to self regulate and we
>aren't going to use PV/legal frameworks, WTF are we doing?

We need actual measurable rules established by the relevant authorities (VCC in conjunction with PV) which are enforced by the climbing community.

At the moment either the rules don't exist, we don't know what they are or they aren't being enforced. Which simply leaves 1,000's of different interpretations and no consequence for any violation.

If I can quickly weigh in on Dreamtime. I might sound like a hypocrite, but I have less of an issue here (bush camping and driving around the gate issues aside) than Rosea. It's only ever accessed by climbers, it would barely work as a crag without the bolts, and like Spurt wall and The Ravine) fills a niche of climbing within the Gramps. I just don't want it everywhere. Rosea by contrast is ON the Grampians Peaks Trail and when finished will be visible by many thousands more non climbers per year. The two crags are not the same.

Which is why the suggestion of per-crag ethics become an important factor in any solution. I'm happy for some areas to be sport areas - the less frequented by other park users the better, mind you - but in return I want some areas to have a completely different ethic (i.e a decent area or three of 100% no-fixed gear). I just can't subscribe to a "one rule for every crag" ethos.