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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 15-May-2018 At 8:11:33 AM Wendy

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On 15-May-2018 FatBoy wrote:
>On 15-May-2018 Wendy wrote:
>>I would say he is getting a lot of positive feedback from the hoards
>that
>>dream of easy sport crags (another pet bug bear of mine). Hence he continues.
>
>This is the problem !! I don't think anyone is suggesting there isn't
>a market for sport climbing in the Grampians. Build it and they will come.
> But I am challenging our right to (or more accurately responsibility not
>to) do so.
>
>The fact that people want to climb sport and do so in droves is not an
>argument for establishing these routes - for the simple reason that we
>are dealing with a shared resource.

I never said it was. In fact, I am an advocate of the opposite - in case you havent encountered my earlier rants on here about how just because people want easy sport, doesn't mean we should make it, for the simple reason that it doesn't exist because easy rock is accessible via learning trad climbing and these people should either learn trad or start climbing harder.
>
>Regardless Wendy, your central arguments appear to be that you trust the
>climbing community to self regulate, that it's currently working, and
>there's nothing to suggest that we're heading down a slippery slope.
>
>And I disagree on all 3 points.

So if we aren't trusting the climbing community to self regulate and we aren't going to use PV/legal frameworks, WTF are we doing?