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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 14-May-2018 At 1:26:23 PM Wendy

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With the odd exception such as the bolt on Blimp, I think most climbing ethical concerns will overlap with PV concerns. Climbing ethics also involve minimising environmental and aesthetic impact. I'm fairly sure that my issues with Dreamtime Wall and potential for something similar to happen at other obscure crags would be shared with PV. Whilst PV might not care if Rosea is a bolt free cliff, I'm guessing they would if it turned into a high traffic sport area. This discussion isn't really about individual events like Blimp, but the overall future management of route development. We are trying to set standards so that slippery slopes don't occur, because much as everyone loves using them for this argument, they can and are stopped in almost all cases by agreeing on an appropriate point on the slope to set boundaries. Kieran is suggesting doing so by categorising individual crags for certain sorts of development. I am suggesting general principals that can be applied across the board. Maybe someone has some other ideas. But either which way, the question remains, what happens when people don't comply?

If we don't utilise existing legal frameworks for causing damage in national parks, how do we deal with recalcitrant offenders such as the guy who appears to have not learnt from having his previous bolts chopped? I really don't think bolting wars are a good solution, even though I know there are people on here who love them.