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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 14-May-2018 At 12:15:08 PM armstp

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I should note that I only raised PV in the discussion because some people seemed to hope that they could be used to solve ethical climbing problems that only have meaning for climbers [eg someone retro-bolting a single trad route in an area that is already full of bolted climbs].

I think we have to be careful not to confuse two issues here. The first is that there are areas where PV can be expected to act on its legal rights if climbing transgresses them. These include actions causing damage to public property, ignoring TO rights and bolting at highly visible high use tourist sites. These are highly relevant points that need discussion but quite different to the issues that sparked off this debate.

The climbing ethical issues will spill over into that legalistic framework at times but the bolt for peg exchange at Bundaleer does not strike me as something of interest to PV or TOs. Assuming the cultural issues relative to Rosea have been addressed it doesn’t seem likely that TOs or PV would really care or notice if there were discrete belay/abseil rings placed at the end of every pitch on Rosea, but a lot of climbers would find it offensive. You can’t appeal to the authorities to stop someone doing that because each of those anchor/abseil rings is no different to the few that currently exist. How does a non-climber distinguish what is acceptable or not? Only climbers can do that, hence this discussion.