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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 12-May-2018 At 4:17:51 PM Wendy

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Now I will try and be serious.

Thanks Keiran for attempting to initiate reasonable discussion and for pointing out that tit for tat bolting/chopping is a childish non solution.

Rather than per crag rules, or indeed rules full stop, I would suggest developing guiding principles that can then be applied to any decision about new routes at any crag. We can't really expect to ever label every crag. Random rules also don't teach anybody judgement that can then be applied elsewhere (Moonarie, Buffalo, Frog, remote bits of obscurity anywhere). I'll attempt to put some ideas together whilst sling-bound.

Regarding the moratorium - i think it difficult to come up with partial moratoriums. The 500m excludes a bunch of sport and mixed crags in the vic range that are established and accepted, whilst allowing it to continue in other areas that have been controversial (like The Ravine).

Do we need a moratorium? Or do we need to stop waffling on chockstone and start engaging the broader community and get some guidelines out there?

As to those poor apathetic and silent majority that Stugand thinks are missing out. Well, that is the price of being apathetic and silent.