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Fixed gear guidelines in the Grampians 11-May-2018 At 3:25:17 PM kieranl

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On 11-May-2018 Access T CliffCare wrote (on another thread):
>
>In more recent times the opinion of quite a few in PV (especially in the
>parks we climb) is that the amount of metal going into cliffs, both newly
>developed and old, seems to be relentless and that in fact, there is little
>self regulation going on. And that this can’t continue. Another concern
>coupled with this is what is seen as, for lack of better words, ‘unsustainable
>bolting’. As in, the kind of bolts used often don’t allow for easy removal
>when they need to be replaced. Or lack of experience in removing them.
>Or hack jobs.
>
>I understand that these comments are probably what you would expect from
>a land manager so maybe no surprise. And within those comments, you can
>allow for a lack of a complete understanding of climbing, putting up routes
>and all the vagaries that go with it. But they are coming up more and the
>amount of climbers heading to the parks is growing. And a huge amount of
>these climb predominantly sport. Kind of goes hand in hand I suppose.
>I also know these comments are often echoed by climbers themselves. I do
>believe that there is some self regulation going on, but let’s face it
>-it’s still a very subjective view though. And that tends to get watered
>down as more and more people climb. Finite rock - infinite climbers. Older
>developers still developing and newer ones wanting to. I know this is a
>complex conversation and no easy solution. There are definitely avenues
>that can be investigated though, that aren’t just about dealing with metal
>after the fact.
>
>Anyway, something else to add into the thought process seeing as it as
>taken off into a bigger picture tangent.
>
>Cheers
>