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The Irish Solution to The Ben Lomond Problem 16-Oct-2017 At 5:06:07 PM johny

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Hey Wendy! Saw you at araps today could have told you this but I guess for posterity... First off I really respect your point of view and I just want to walk back a little bit of the hostile attitude of the last few msgs... wine fueled...

I am actually guilty of what I was accusing you of! As in arguing a point of debate and not seeing the big picture. We pretty much agree that abseil bolts should and probably would not lead to sport climbs. I think this is most people's opinion about Ben Lomon abseil bolts.

Without name calling and outing people who used the abseil bolts=sport climbs logic on this forum, which actually resulted in the person(who is a douche) whining to the moderator and having the posts removed(!) from a previous online form, I will just say that there are people who will immediately establish what I would consider controversial bolted abseil stations and/or sport climbs. This is not a hypothetical. Having it bolt free unfortunately really is the only way to go for now.

No abseil bolts doesn't ruin the area at all! Yeah it sucks sometimes that climbing is an anarchy/consensus/despotism/chaos but most of the time it is the best. Yeah it kind of sucks that a couple people (one?) forced this decision but after all the debate I think it is cool that it is bolt free anyway! Makes me feel good.