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The Irish Solution to The Ben Lomond Problem 16-Oct-2017 At 5:03:01 AM Karl Bromelow

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>And Karl, I don't think that bolt on WC is the bottom of the slippery
>slope. The bottom would be when you only need a rack of 10 quickdraws to
>do the route :)

My point exactly Wendy.

You say, "I don't think...." So, who defines where the bottom of a bolting slippery slope lies? Such slopes are perceived differently depending on your own view. Should you, Wendy, define the bottom? Surely 20 quickdraws would be further down a slope than 10. 30 further and so on. And, hypothetically you could claim that placing 10 fixed hangers on Watchtower Crack is ok because no one would be fool enough to place a further 10. "Properly" bolted and turned into a pure sport route it could accomodate 50 bolts. Not the real world I know but you must get my point. The bottom of a slippery slope is ill defined, personal and subjective.

I think you have placed bolts (correct me if I'm wrong) so you are bound to have an entirely different opinion to a rabid anti bolter. Therein lies the rub. It seems to be an issue where a consensus is never quite comfortably reached. The sides are well entrenched. I am not suggesting your bolting activities (I don't follow this forum religiously but think I have read about you bolting routes) are wicked. Please don't read this as such. Just using that as an illustration.

Cheers, Karl