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The Irish Solution to The Ben Lomond Problem 12-Oct-2017 At 11:32:24 AM Kieranl

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On 10-Oct-2017 Karl Bromelow wrote:
>On 10-Oct-2017 Wendy wrote:
>>On 9-Oct-2017 Karl Bromelow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For me Arapiles' slippery slope hit rock bottom when a bolt was placed
>>>on Watchtower Crack.
>>
>>What, in 1967 or whenever it was first done? It's had multiple carrots
>>in it since then.

>>
> I addressed this above in answer to ajfclark.
>
>There is also non-fallacious usage of slippery slope argument. Question
>is how do we define good evidence of consequences in bolting. That is where
>differing perceptions muddy it and why the two sides will never meet and
>the issue grumbles on.

To clarify the circumstances of the placement of the FH. At the time it was placed there were two twisted 5/16 mild steel carrots next to each other. People were actually taking hanging belays off them, god knows what they were thinking. I extracted them both, drilled out one of the holes and placed the SS expansion bolt with FH, I'm a bit surprised that this is now identified as the start of the slippery slope, I thought that had started long before, how otherwise do you explain what I replaced, but so be it. Pull the FH if you wish, it should come out without further rock damage even after 20+ years. But please don't put a carrot back in out of misplaced nostalgia.

And back on topic, a bolt-free Ben? Great concept. Will it work? You never know unless you try.

Edit - had some fat finger problems with the iPad so have now tidied things up