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The Irish Solution to The Ben Lomond Problem 11-Oct-2017 At 4:40:30 PM johny

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Wendy for the 4th(?) time you are arguing technical debate points in a hypothetical universe. I wonder if you actually care about the bolts or abseil stations or lack thereof at the Ben. If we were drinking beers it would be a fun conversation maybe. As it stands it is pretty tedious to read your spin cycle arguments justifying your initial untenable position for the sake of not being wrong.

For the Nth time I agree that it is a weak argument that abseil bolts lead to sport climbs. However, this argument IS being used by certain people. You can froth all you want about how stupid these people are but it doesn't change the fact they believe it. Gerry reacted to a real threat from a certain bolter by chopping the abseil bolts.

>>So why doesn't this convenient slippery slope start earlier then?

Well... Because... IT DOESN'T! Some areas are fully bolted, some are not. The slippery slope was stopped in England at no bolts pre 1970s in most areas. Later crags were bolted. Is this so hard for you to understand? In your black and white strawman only debate style I guess it doesn't work. But in the really existing world it is pretty common.

There never was much tat at Ben Lomond. There never were any sport climbs. Sure it COULD have been different. But... it... wasn't! Jesus Holy Christ On A Crutch! This is the tradition of Ben Lomond! As opposed to Smith Rock or Ceuse or any other crag. There is no universal application of Wendy's perfect rational white and black application of bolting ethic. You are just yelling into a self -constructed bermuda triangle of semantic bullshit.

peace out
cj