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Fully sick bolt wars at Araps 17-May-2016 At 2:30:43 PM Macciza

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Well that kind of escalated quickly after being misunderstood ...
Ok so they're more like 'guidelines' [space inserted here to avoid somehow triggering input filter] ; kinda like Pirates
Ed suggested 'consensus will never be reached' as if 'consensus' where the holy grail of climbing ethics. I simply said it wasn't, and that we don't need the agreement, particularly from noobs. I didn't say they were running around with drills though sometimes it seems that way. Certainly they can have a say, as they do ( ie I think it needs more bolts) to which the reply is ' No this is not the gym, it's a trad crag and climbing ethics says No!
Re Clean Climbing: Check the 1972 Chouinard Catalog, you must have missed the memo and clearly totally missed the point.

Basically just 'freeing' the routes there of the artificial protection aides so they become trad routes and can't be retro ringed. Also putting up some new trad routes. Yeah maybe it's a 7-11 crag, whatever that may be but at least it's not a 9-5 pleasure crag ...