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A comment on hierarchies of risk 28-Jan-2016 At 6:21:34 PM Macciza

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invalid or suspicious input? 'Exe-cute' as one word ??

Rod witnessed some instruction taking placed and attempted to help out but was sternly rebuked before getting to say anything much, and was told to basically get lost. There were points of the setup that should have been done better and that were being done (apparently exe-cuted as one word is invalid or suspicious, ffs) quite poorly and not being properly corrected. I left so as not have to witness any more...

Marty - given setup, exe-cution and apparent somewhat uncomfortableness of the belayer, in this particular top of cliff top belay setup, I'm not sure how well the getting out of trouble would have gone. I don't think I was confronting in this instance, was merely trying to help backup and add a little more explanation to what was being said, but seeming not properly interpreted or acted upon. There was definitely no tough male face-saving going on, and unfortunately with nothing really being said for them to 'not listen to' there ended up no chance of them being able to dwell on or consider later. It was total ignorance.

Goshen - Generally speaking random rockfall (unconnected with the climber knocking somethings) is a known danger, but it is an objective hazard which an individual has somewhat no control over. One can gather information as to likelihood and potential consequence but can do little about it except take a chance based on educated guess or avoid as much as practicable.

What I mean here are the unknown unknowns, those things which you aren't aware that you aren't aware of. There are thing we know we know, things we know we don't know, thing we don't know we know, and things we don't know we don't know. that last one is really hard to protect against via risk management.

Dr - No, in fact not at all like the Chocky forum where posts are generally somewhat unavoidable .....

Mods- Why on earth does the word 'exe-cution' as one word cause such problems? That is simply political correctness gone made. particularly when all this is happening on computers that exe-cute millions of instructions a second...