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Extreme sports and kids... 22-May-2015 At 1:18:59 PM Snacks

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On 22/05/2015 Wendy wrote:
>Even you example is not so clear cut. Take soloing down Ali's. I don't
>do it with beginners at all, I don't think anyone should do it whilst guiding
>and plenty of rec climbers probably shouldn't either. but the guidebook
>suggests you just down climb it. You see people do it all the time. Say
>some recreational climber sends their friend off down Ali's as many people
>have already done that day. Friend slip and fall. Negligent? Is the guide
>book author negligent for suggesting soloing it?

Ok, more clear cut is if you actually take the safety off the person yourself as the trusted instructor who knows what you're doing.

At Point Perp recently I had to tie off a belay that the belayer had left with a climber dangling off a grigri in a braked position and gone to talk to their pal. The handle could potentially have been locked open if the climber moved around and managed to twist the rope etc...

In this case had the person died from the grigri locking open then the belayer would potentially be up for 'involuntary manslaughter' (the dangerous act type?)... IF the belayer was inexperienced and instructed to do that then the instructor could in turn could be up for involuntary manslaughter (the criminal negligence type?)

These legalities haven't just suddenly started in climbing... they've always been there in the background.

Without them you're saying you'd rather accidents resulting from negligence just going into the 'Oopsie daisey better learn better for next time' basket for recreational climbers?