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If you bolt it, they will come & sh*t all over it 12-May-2015 At 7:06:43 PM nmonteith

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A few points now that I am on a proper computer and can type...

The problem (at Shipley) is many fold...

With ever increasing numbers of climbers, you will get an ever increasing number of shitters. That is pretty obvious. It only takes 1 in 100 to leave a mess, bit if you have hundreds of climbers visiting every week it quickly adds up. Toilet paper and crap take months to rot.

Surely the council should consider building a public toilet? With hundreds of Blue Mountains rate payers climbing at that crag, and thousands more visiting the area and spending money in local shops it must be financially viable. Can I be ever so bold as to make the point that recent Cliffcare stone masonry work, flashy signs and helicopter drop-offs of equipment be money that could have been used towards a public toilet? A simple portaloo would reduce shitting at the crag considerably. I get a sense that there is a bit of a NIMBY thing happening with the people who live on that street not wanting a toilet.

Another thing is education. I actually think it has got to the stage that 'shitting in the bush' - even after digging a deep hole and burying it, should be discouraged. In fact frowned upon. If you see people wandering off to crap then maybe let them know that it is non sustainable at an area like Shipley. Chances are you will dig up a previous turd.

Lastly - the 'European issue' - honestly it is a problem. I've had many conversations all around the world with Europeans who just don't get the Australian dig and bury method. In fact I was reading a section about toilets in a recent Spainish climbing guide where it stated you should leave the poo out in the open so it would rot faster. It made a point that burying is a bad idea?!