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Why rope access kooks have no place in climbing 7-May-2015 At 10:32:00 AM Snacks

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On 7/05/2015 climberman wrote:
>Macciza I think if he wants to remove it from a website that's perfectly
>reasonable. I think I did my quoting incorrectly before and it wasn't snacks
>who quoted names.
>

Yeah, thanks for acknowledging that as I didn't want to have to trove through all my posts to prove that was the case...

>wrt commercial stuff.... my view is it has brought in issues that climbing
>didn't need to worry about until there was a commercial aspect to the activity.
>They also tie up public recreational land and I kinda get the pips with
>that, it's a personal thing. If some climbers feel that they have benefitted
>in their lives from either being group 'guides' or learning in that environment,
>great. This is seperate from my feeling around commercial use of public
>lands and 'access rights' when in conflict with recreational users. That
>said, I'm hardly worrying about it on my cycle commute into town or bitching
>about it over a beer at the pub.
>

I see your point. It does seem unfair they get 'precendence'? over people that don't want to fork out $$$ for an experience they can self-manage.

On the other hand, how often do experienced climbers on here jump up and down about inexperienced "gym climbers" doing ridiculous things at the crag, that may be avoided if they had forked out for at least some form of commercial instruction?

To people that learn on their own (but probably help from other more experienced climbers, which may be in exchange for belay, sexual services or alike) the prices can seem a bit fleecy, but it's quite a responsibility to link that kind of instruction to your income to your mortgage to your family...

I have been lucky to have had some kick-ass individuals to learn from in Newcastle (JP, Timbo) and also in my time in Sydney (Neil, Mikl, MattB, Jenga)...

Cheers