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Grid bolting at Windjammer Pt Perp 2-Dec-2014 At 11:20:43 AM uwhp510

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On 2/12/2014 surfziggy wrote:
>Yeah, but someone can always come and bolt an extension to it, if they
>think they can climb it.

Or they could top rope it, and leave the drill at home. These routes are all accessed from the top, so they can all be either top-roped or have all the gear pre-placed on abseil if the leaders don't feel up to placing the gear on lead.

>Not saying trad doesn't have its place,

Woah woah, easy there son... Climbing IS trad by default. Cliffs don't come with ring-bolts pre-installed which are removed by aspiring TRADITIONAL ascentionists! SPORT CLIMBING is the sub-activity.

>but bolts make climbing more accessible,
>safer and more fun to a lot of people.

So does chipping.

>Feel free not too clip them however
>:-)

I hereby propose a new rule of the internet whereby anyone who attempts to justify retro-bolting type activities with a statement to the effect of "you can choose not to clip them" immediately looses the argument. It's akin to arguing in favour of luxury resort developments in pristine wilderness areas with the statement "you can choose not to stay there". The existence of the bolt/luxury resort fundamentally changes the experience of climbing the route/visiting the wilderness area, whether or not the bolt/luxury resort is directly interacted with.