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First in best dressed? 10-Apr-2013 At 9:48:04 AM BlankSlab

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On 10/04/2013 Macciza wrote:
>On 9/04/2013 eduardo slabovic wrote:
>
>>Also, I think rowans suggestion of thinking about a system to ensure
>that "trad projects" are not engulfed by a wave of rabid bolters is a good
>one, and one that should
>>be seriously considered while there is still a population of climbers
>that can see both sides of the fence.
>
>Kind of agree here, but are you serious? 'Think about a system'? There
>is already one that has been in place for decades to the point that it
>used be accepted as 'unwritten law' that has since been actually become
>'written' in numerous documents and bolting polices/guidelines etc. Do
>you really think there is need to re-invent the 'ethics' that have existed
>for so long ? Particularly as it would seem they want to shift things further
>away from what is already established, yet ignored . . .
>
I think the real issue is there is a dissconnect between the old and the new way of thinking Im not sure what the plan for approaching this should be but Macciza has been aproaching it in his own way and has been doing something about it that has worked in a few instances (has pissed some people off along the way but so have the bolters). I think getting something done is better then a lot of us sitting back and doing nothing about it.
I would have a bet that 90% of the climbing community dont visit this forum and partake in the discussions. Half of them again probably don't care about climbing ethics and history and just want to climb. So who is it up to to promote awarness of ethics of areas existing and new. Is it the clubs such as the Sydney Rockies, VCC and the uni mountianeering clubs, the magazines and various other publications about, the guide book writers, the crag?

I think we can continuly have these discussion on here but until its taken up and activly promoted as an issue in our climbing mediea i think it will just continue along the lines of "who retroed this, who bolted that sweet looking trad project" and resulting in chopy chop chop.